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Saturday, July 4, 2009 - 7:25pmSanction this postReply
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Luke,

This just sounds wrong, but I can't say why. You are exercising a form of 'creative destruction.'

:-)

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Saturday, July 4, 2009 - 10:32pmSanction this postReply
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I don't see anything morally wrong with that as long as copies of the digital version aren't shared or turned loose.

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 4:32amSanction this postReply
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I would never have the patience to slog through the "philosophers' dialogues" with Ayn Rand at the end of ITOE without doing this.

I also just do not have room for all the books I want to keep so this becomes a major space saver, squeezing tens of thousands of pages of material onto a handful of compact disks.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 7/05, 4:48am)


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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 5:17amSanction this postReply
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Very interesting...

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 12:54pmSanction this postReply
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This could be a new business niche. Maybe done by an associate of Amazon.com. You pick the book you'd like to have in digital form and they buy a used copy, digitize it, and destroy the hard copy.

Like all digital properties, the problem is the ease of making and distributing multiple copies. If a digital copy could be created such that it could NOT be copied, it would be good for the publishers and authors - the number of hard-copies would decline in proportion to the digital copies.

But if it remains possible to make and distribute multiple copies, then books will eventually go the way music has. We are at the beginning of the end of new, quality music. Ask any artist who hasn't already become famous if it is possible to make a living in a business where the instant your CD is released, it becomes available for free. Movies will end up going the same direction if property rights aren't defended for them. No one will put up the money to produce new works if they know that they will not make their money back because of piracy.

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Digital e-books already come with Digital Rights Management (DRM) encryption difficult to impossible to decrypt. So it can be done. I have purchased a few of these types of e-books and my main dislike of them involves not being able to run the audio conversion I discuss in my blog post due to the DRM. (Changing computers also means jumping through hoops to re-load the DRM rights.) The new Amazon Kindle supposedly will read these e-books audibly but I have no interest in another expensive piece of hardware.

Some Amazon purchases allow users to spend a small extra amount to read the book on the Web as well as receive a hard copy of the book.

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 1:51pmSanction this postReply
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DRM is awkward and the technology is in its infancy. A lot of improvements are needed at the technical level, but without efficient law enforcement there will never be any long-term success. The two have to go together.

The third leg is the understanding and acceptance of intellectual property rights by the public. The better the public's acceptance of an artist's right to the product of his efforts, and of a businesses right to keep the profits they make, the easier it will be to have enforcement of property rights. If our society were as ignorant and ill-informed about the right to be safe in our own homes as they are about intellectual property rights, the locks on our doors, like DRM technology, wouldn't be enough - we'd all be taking turns doing guard duty with a shotgun and living in communal huts for our safety.

With an environment friendly to property rights, lots of consumer-friendly digital products would become available and we would see a flourishing in the creative arts - instead of what will end up being a desert.

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 2:41pmSanction this postReply
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"Ask any artist who hasn't already become famous if it is possible to make a living in a business where the instant your CD is released, it becomes available for free."

Yes, but there is still the avenue of performing for musicians to generate income. But as far as "the end of music," true musicians will STILL play, write, and record in some capacity, simply because it's "in their blood."

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 5:52pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

I agree that there are still venues available for performance. But that makes the music industry very different in the future than it is today. Now we are able to share in the works of an artist no matter where we live, and no matter where the artist is. We don't have to limit our enjoyment to when a concert or live gig is happening. Neither time nor space keep us from enjoying them, or keep the artist from trading the product of their efforts with their fans through recordings. Should we only enjoy the work of a writer when they are in town and doing a reading? Should writers only be allowed to make money by readings?

Famous artists can make money with concert tours, and use the new releases of their CDs as a promotion for the next tour - even if they make no money on the CD due to piracy. Those who aren't famous will not be able to find support for a concert and are reduced to sidewalk busking or the neighborhood bar. The mechanism of the labels includes A&R - discovering and promoting and packaging talent. If you don't think that is of value, just try to find the music you like by spending time searching YouTube of other free venues for new talent - you'll have to have lots of patience to dig through there unless your listening preferences are eclectic and talent tolerant to an extreme.

The assertion that "true musicians" will still play, write and record because it is "in their blood" is partly true, but sad. It isn't entirely true, because different people have different psychologies. And no matter how great the talent, and how powerful the love of music, there can come a time where being robbed and disrespected damages the ability to participate and an individual may only plays for themselves. As for recording... if you don't get paid for recording, and if it costs a great deal to record, then there will not be many who will continue.

The sad part is that their property rights are being trampled upon. Why should a society organize itself so as to hold them hostage by their love of music? If an artist wants to establish a contract where anyone can have a copy of their work, to play whenever they want, and for a reasonable price (say 99 cents on iTunes - about one third of the cost of a latte), then why should people be so malicious as to make it available for free on pirate sites, and why should people be so shortsighted and mean spirited as to download it from there instead of iTunes?

As the technology becomes more and more consumer-friendly for digital distribution and presentation of digital versions of intellectual works, of artistic works, if we don't enforce the property rights we will destroy much of what sustains that work.

(For some of these arguments I've pulled from my brothers blog - he's a world class musician with several Grammy nominations, and over a quarter of a century's exerience. Here, here, here, here, here, and here for more blogs of his on this issue.)

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 8:15pmSanction this postReply
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Steve, it costs very little to record nowadays.

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 8:30pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

Did you read this?

And, does it matter how much it costs to record, when you can't get any return? And we are talking about an individual. How does a label go about finding, grooming, developing, recording, and distributing music as a business when the product is stolen - all of it?

And the biggest question - by what right do others steal some ones work and giggle about how cool it is that they don't have to pay anything - ANYTHING - not even iTunes' 99 cents for a song? Why would anyone want to champion this something-for-nothing theft of an artist's work?

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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 9:27pmSanction this postReply
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Steve, I don't have to read it to know the topic. You said "Ask any artist who hasn't already become famous if it is possible to make a living in a business where the instant your CD is released, it becomes available for free."

Well, I'm any artist, and I'm not famous, so believe me when I say I've well aware of the situation.
(Edited by Joe Maurone on 7/05, 9:28pm)


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Sunday, July 5, 2009 - 10:42pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

The thing you chose not to read is just is a short blog by my brother where he details the costs of making a record - which was the best reply possible to your post about how cheap it is to record today.

I notice that you've chosen not to reply to any of my questions as well as not reading that blog, so I don't know what more I can say.

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Monday, July 6, 2009 - 9:05amSanction this postReply
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Steve, I read your link and found it wanting. There's more to the story than that.

I've chosen not to reply to your several points in your post because they are a tangle of knots that I don't have time to unravel (and it's not what this thread is about, anyway); you've raised legitimate question that others have raised elsewhere, but jumped to the conclusion that it equals "the end of music," with which I disagree. Nothing more to say.

(Edited by Joe Maurone on 7/06, 9:55am)

(Edited by Joe Maurone on 7/06, 10:44am)


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