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Friday, August 22 - 1:58pmSanction this postReply
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I have made recent investment in gold - but can we get more confirmation on this?



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Friday, August 22 - 3:40pmSanction this postReply
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Numerous sources say its been suspended, one says it was suspended on the 15th and resumed with limited supply on the 25th. FYI Gold reached $1000 USD a little while ago and now it is at about $850. So people are buying the real stuff now thinking that its just a fluke to be low now and that it will go up even more in the future. And the US Mint hasn't been able to keep up with the demand, their prices are based on world gold prices, not their own supply of gold or availability of their finished bullion coin product.



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Friday, August 22 - 5:16pmSanction this postReply
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If anyone's interested in my take on the whole issue:

We won the Cold War by outproducing the USSR, forcing them to keep up with our arms expenditures while they had to divert resources from their consumers, leading to bread lines that would have eventually led to revolution. I think that Putin is trying the same thing, in a different form, to us. He recognizes the great problems we are having with the economy — the subprime mortgages, consumer debt, national debt, inflation, Iraq, etc. led by the price of oil. Russia can foment international turmoil and cause the price of oil to skyrocket, putting extreme pressure on the US, and other countries, by proxy. This will lead to an inflationary depression in the US where citizens are hard pressed to merely survive. Commodities such as food, oil and other necessities reach extreme levels while newly dispossessed homeowners double up in their accommodations and live with their parents, further depressing the housing market and causing further foreclosures and economic collapse. Using this strategy Russia could end up being the dominant power in the world and America impoverished.

In this scenario gold will be an investment of great reward. (If Obama doesn't regard the profits as windfalls)

Sam




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Friday, August 22 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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(If Obama doesn't regard the profits as windfalls)

Of course he would - moral degenerate thug he is...




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Monday, August 25 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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Monday, August 25, 2008. 1:17 PM
Gold futures for December delivery fell $4.90, or 0.6%, to $828.60 an ounce on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Futures fell earlier to an intraday low of $820.50. Gold ended last week's trading up 5.2%.
MarketWatch 11:20 AM
via http://www.kitco.com/

  1. The US Mint sells to one group of wholesalers. 
  2. It is already the 3rd Quarter of 2008. It is not unusual for the Mint to slacken output in preparation for the new year. 
  3. The price of gold peaked about February 29-March 6 and then again in mid-July, but has been recovering from the runup that stared in late 2007. 
  4. People buy and sell gold all the time. 
  5. Central banks sell when the price is high. 
  6. Worldwide most gold is consumed in the form of jewelry. 
  7. Americans are voracious buyers of gold coins in many forms. 
  8. US Gold Eagles and fractions, are just one product line.

Regarding GATA: Pick your numbers, but 90% of those who speculate in commodities futures lose money.  The primary users of the futures markets are the producers of the commodities.  Wheat co-ops buy or sell wheat futures to hedge against changes in price (supply versus demand) between harvests (intake) and sales (outflow).  Of course, they "manipulate" the markets, as their responsibility to their members demands.  All participants in every market do so. 

I appreciate the fact that the central banks have a shared interest in not admitting the fact that their governments are all over-extended.  Even so, they are not a unified collective because no cartel really is.  Moreover, the price of gold -- howevermuch they may "influence" it -- is based on markets far beyond their controls.  As just one example, about 1999-2000, The Central Bank of Switzerland -- the govenment bank -- demonetized its 100-franc notes and then sold off gold that had been on the books at $50 per ounce for the price then of about $280 per ounce, allowing them to inflate their currency.  (As I recall, the franc fell from about 80cents to about 60-something.)  Yet, here were are again, with the franc strong against the dollar.

The price of gold in dollars is generally rising because of the cost of the Second Iraq War.  The alternative would have been a direct tax increase.  Tax increases are politically difficult, so the government inflated the money supply instead.  Note the fall of the dollar against the euro.  (Click here to see the price changes 2000-2008.)  The euro is not strong; the dollar is weak. But the fact remains.  The price of gold has increased not so much (not so much) against the euro.

Buying and selling are two sides of the same coin.  Coin stores and jewelers and others less reputable have been buying gold in large, continuous streams since late 2007, as people bring in old jewelry.  Yes, the current depression is an incentive: people need the money.  What is cominig in, though, by definition -- see Human Action -- is that which people value less than cash on hand, i.e., broken pieces, heirlooms, and that which has less emotional meaning.  The wedding rings of the presently still married in whatever sense are still being worn.  One store I know -- Liberty Coin Service of Lansing, Michigan -- opened a buying window in another storefront and hired a security guard to manage the lines of people selling gold.  People are selling gold -- and those who sold in February or July did better than those who are selling at $800 or so.  On the other hand, people who buy gold at LCS still walk in the same place and meet the same clerks at the same counters.  There is no shortage of gold. 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 8/25, 10:59am)




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Friday, September 26 - 6:08amSanction this postReply
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 Gold coin sales halted after retail rush

By Javier Blas in London
Published: September 25 2008 23:03 | Last updated: September 25 2008 23:03
The rush by retail investors into gold on Thursday forced the US government to “temporarily” suspend the sales of the popular American Buffalo one-ounce bullion coin after depleting its inventories.
The shortage of gold coins is the latest sign of investors seeking a safe haven into bullion amid Wall Street woes. Gold prices this week surged above $900 an ounce, up about 20 per cent from its level before the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

Story continues here.

First they ran out of Eagles, then they ran out of Buffalos.  This is, of course, only for the year 2008 issues.  There are plenty of gold coins out there if you want one.    Also, to be on-target, the U.S. Mint "halted" sales because they have no more to sell.  They are not hoarding. 

While structurally, it is true that the US dollar is backed 100% in gold because you can take your Federal Reserve Notes to the Mint and buy US Gold Eagles (or Buffalos) at the market price, the fact is that "you" cannot.  The Mint sells Eagles to a handful of preferred wholesalers.  From there, the coins move into the retail channels and eventually over the counter to you.  Buffalos, the First Lady Half Ounce Golds, and other Mint items (with higher mark-ups) continue to be sold ... when available.  When the US Mint runs out of Mint Sets or Proof Sets, as when they ran out of their Jefferson/Louisiana/Lewis-and-Clark-5-cent-Nickels-in-Little-Leather-Pouches, only collectors care.

 The Buffalo is not a "bulllion" coin.  It is a proof coin, struck on polished planchets and struck three times.  The last price was $1,199.95 per plush boxed presentation.  Also, in celebration of Asian good luck charms, the Mint sold a special two-coin set for 08-08-08.  (8 is lucky among Asians, any number of reasons why, perhaps, but to the Japanese, the character for 8 looks like a rising mountain and thus symbolizes Mt. Fuji).  The two half-ounce coins in a plush box are apparently still priced at $1,228.88 .
 
If you just want a gold coin, buy sovereigns or something from a dealer. For about eight or ten years now, Canadian Maple Leaf coins were 4-Nines fine, .9999 pure and now the Royal Canadian Mint offers 5-Nines fine, .99999.  It's a pretty good product, better than US Mint items.
 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 9/26, 6:21am)




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Friday, September 26 - 11:23amSanction this postReply
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FYI - You can always buy GLD as a proxy for gold. But, of course, you don't get it to hold in your hand.



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