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Tuesday, April 15 - 7:33pmSanction this postReply
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John Sherman wrote about this ------

Capital Punishment

"April is the cruelest month",
An imposition scarcely bearable,
Whose ides are pealed with a wicked toll,
A sadism most "income-pare-able".




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Wednesday, April 16 - 10:15amSanction this postReply
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What gets me is, apparently the IRS keeps changing the rules.  Well, face it, the rules are so complicated that it is no longer a simple mathematical calculation with a single "right answer."  I have received two amended 1099 Consolidated forms from ETrade SINCE I FILED MY RETURN.  The latest was THIS MORNING.  And there is no guarantee that there won't be more amended forms coming.  I have decided that I'm not going to amend my return, ever.  If the IRS wants more money, they can bill me. :-(

And what's more, if there is an omission from a previous year, the IRS will take more money from you, but if you prove to them that your income actually would figure out to be less, they won't give you money back (unless you file an amended return I suppose).




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Wednesday, April 16 - 5:05pmSanction this postReply
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I was recently reprimanded by a local IRS agent, who accused me of always "being rude" when I visit the IRS office, to obtain tax forms, inquire after tax deadlines, etc. "I don't know if you're just rude to everyone, or if you don't like the IRS, or what it is." A moment's reflection persuaded me that she was right. "I don't like the IRS", I responded. "But I'm sorry for my rudeness, which is not right, and I will strive to be courteous in the future." She glared at me, and her co-worker glared at me too. I felt embarrassed, so I smiled at them anyway and left.

Of course, they don't understand the tyranny of the organization they have chosen to work for, and they believe strongly in the justice of the income tax. So I ought to just be courteous. On the other hand, there is a presumption of villiainy if one objects morally to some state activity. This presumption seems to flow from the feeling that the state defines what is right or wrong. So, naturally, anyone who protests on moral grounds to some state incursion is seen as wrong, possibly disloyal, and a real trouble maker. 

Taxation is theft. If it is not theft, then I don't understand how to square the idea with individual rights.  

Which prompts me to ask: Why was Tibor Machan's article deleted? Can one read it elsewhere?




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Thursday, April 17 - 5:15amSanction this postReply
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And yet at some point, US Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (1804-94) was right: "Taxes are the price we pay for civilization." Taxes are the values we surrender in order to radically diminish in society the quantity and quality of predators, parasites, and criminals (i.e. individual rights violators). Taxes fund the protection and defense of our liberty and property. 



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Thursday, April 17 - 7:35pmSanction this postReply
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The IRS may be the supreme predator of all time.



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Friday, April 18 - 8:19amSanction this postReply
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I agree, all taxes suck - but there's just something incredibly invasive about the income tax.  Man, I hate April 15th!!!!!



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Friday, April 18 - 8:35amSanction this postReply
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The current IRS is a result of government tyranny, not a cause of it. It's an effect of the evil Welfare State, not a cause of it. We need to remember that the problem with government of the past century or two is always and forever spending, not taxes.

I think the top five current predators in the United States are named Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Debt Interest, and Iraq War. It's just too easy to cheap-shot the IRS. Pretty much everyone in the Objectivist/libertarian movement does so, and it doesn't help the movement or discussion at all. It doesn't educate.

What's the alternative to the current IRS? No O/L seems to mention that. So the conversation grinds to a halt, and no-one is enlightened or convinced. The fact is the IRS is an absolute slave to those top five predatory, parasitical, criminal monsters known as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Debt Interest, and the Iraq War. We need to immediately, ruthlessly, savagely smash these five into the ground!

At the least, the O/L community needs to righteously demand it. But I never seem to hear it. So this is a debate O/Ls always lose. What a shame! --since there's absolutely massive sympathy for us here. And there's fairly intense hatred for the IRS. But no-one ever seems to call for cutting spending and then mentioning specific programs. Unless we do so, in my judgment, we're going to lose this discussion every single time. And we're going to deserve the loss.

I say: Instant and utter DEATH to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Debt Interest, and the Iraq War! And any and all O/L leaders which don't loudly, clearly, emphatically call for the same should be ousted as leaders. We need new ones who can do more than just haplessly, helplessly, hopelessly, impotently, pathetically, demagogically flail at the IRS.     




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Friday, April 18 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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Kyrel, I encourage you to write an extensive article about these five predators and a detailed, well-reasoned action plan for getting rid of them.

As I understand it, Chile has moved to a much more privatized -- though not totally private -- Social Security system through well-reasoned, politically marketable trade studies that motivated voters across the economic spectrum to support the change.

Given the overwhelming number of Baby Boomers currently retiring and benefiting from this Ponzi Scheme called American Social Security, it becomes incumbent upon those calling for its end to follow the lead of Chile while retaining the Baby Boomer context.

If any of us could just snap our fingers and make these changes happen, we would have already done so.  But that is not the world in which we live.  So more work is needed.




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Friday, April 18 - 12:59pmSanction this postReply
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Kyrel,

I don't buy that.  You're putting the cart before the horse.  Without the seemingly inexhaustible source of funds for any purpose provided by the predatory IRS those programs would never have seemed like a good idea and it wouldn't have been in the interest of anyone to promote them.




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