RoR: Forum

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Thursday, September 11 - 9:33am

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Death to Islam. Death to moderate, mainstream, normal, average, standard, traditional Islam. Death to historical and current Islam. Death to all those who actively and effectively participate in the three true pillars of Islam: jihad (war), sharia (slavery), and shahada (martyrdom). Death to all those most responsible for 9/11. And immediate death to all those fundamentalist leaders of the governments, mosques, and madrassas of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. Kill them all and bomb their institutions out of existence today!

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Friday, September 12 - 6:34am

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I am certainly not PC, but am I alone in thinking this (0) post is inappropriate to this forum?

Just catching up today on the recent three days posts. Mr. Zantonavitch's posts are more full of bile than reason. Chris correctly questioned his 'avalanche' of words, and I think his point for point helped (or at least tried) focussing on the weaknesses of the original statements.

Ted also added clarification, and was perhaps more polite than warranted.

jt

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Friday, September 12 - 6:53am

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Hah! If you think that's bad, read this.

FYI, Kyrel also posts under the name Andre.

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Friday, September 12 - 8:44am

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Nice to see you're still pathetically obsessed with me, loser! ;-)

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Friday, September 12 - 1:01pm

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I just followed the link Ted supplied in the post above, and reading that and reading other comments by Zantonavitch I can NOT imagine why ANYONE would want to have him permitted to post here.

At the very least, he should be consigned to Dissent.

If I'm mistaken, someone can say so, but suggesting that any woman should be forced to orally satisfy every male on the plane and beaten for any failures to do and calling for that man to be beaten - not for any violation of rights, but for having stupid beliefs and attitudes of entitlement is totally opposed to Objectivism - so much so as to be in the category of thug and would-be tyrant.

Is this the low state of Objectivism and Reason as to tolerate that kind of abusive, ugly, disgusting suggestions and to permit him to parade about as if he is one of us?

Ed Hugins, Teresa, and John Aramos made favorable replies to the posted article, and that was very appropriate since those stupid people should have been kicked off the plane. But then this Nazi-like creature made post #3. Why were Jay and Ted the only people to condemn that post? Why the silence? I'd rather have that mean-spirited, sarcastic, Claude the christian apologists back in our midst than this skin-full of toxic waste.

(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 9/12, 2:53pm)

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Friday, September 12 - 5:12pm

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Friday, September 12 - 5:35pm

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Evidently The Atlas Society has a different opinion of KZ than certain posters here:

TNI's Exclusive Interview with Robert Spencer

By Kyrel Zantonavich

The outspoken, best-selling critic of militant Islam responds with blunt eloquence to TNI's provocative questions about his controversial views.

I am not sure about banishment to Dissent, but then I have not followed KZ's posts that closely.

I vaguely recall condemning some sort of racist implication he made long ago but cannot recall exactly which thread.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 9/12, 5:44pm)

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Friday, September 12 - 5:37pm

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Steve:

Why were Jay and Ted the only people to condemn that post? Why the silence?

I did condemn Kyrel/Andre's use of racial slurs in a previous thread here.

I don't have time to review all threads on this forum and respond to them, and many times others make posts that I think speak just as well to the issue as I could ever do so. So please don't mistake the absence of any posts from me on that thread as sanctioning Kyrel/Andre's comments, I find them just as repulsive as you do.

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Friday, September 12 - 5:47pm

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Luke, TNI's policy is obviously one of responding to value. I doubt he craps on their front porch all that often. I don't see them doing a google search to vet him - but of course, TNI reads this website.

I think Kay Zee deserves a warning. He's used to the toleration and apparently gets adulation for this same exact behavior at SOLOP. I admit I've agreed with him plenty of times, and he still posts things I find interesting. Hardly fair to string him up so quickly, and damage Teresa's nice rope.

Of course, one can contribute all sorts of things of value from dissent.

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Friday, September 12 - 6:09pm

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John, I followed that link... Old memories: you, Pete, Steven Druckenmiller and I jumped all over him for that racial slur. When he made some pale excuses, they were shot down and nobody defended or sanctioned him. I would in no way associate him with anyone else I have seen posting here - he puts himself in a class by himself.

I can imagine that he has other posts scattered about ROR and many of them are probably benign. I was just astounded at his recommendation of a gang rape for the offense of having a stupid set of beliefs and a bad attitude.

It would be awful NOT put him in Dissent or off the forum altogether. That statement isn't a difference of opinion - it is raw evil.

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Friday, September 12 - 9:17pm

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Hardly fair to string him up so quickly, and damage Teresa's nice rope.

RoR is a curious kind of rope. Many a poster have hung themselves with it's generous lengths. Who knows how much he'll need.

Good journalists do this kind of "rope letting" thing while targeting corruption in their writings and coverage. RoR, sometimes, serves a kind of journalistic purpose.

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Saturday, September 13 - 7:24am

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The obvious point here is: satire is satire, hyperbole is hyperbole, and a joke is a joke. Humor may not always translate well in cyberspace, but I dare say any person of any respect for reason and truth can see my previous remarks for what they are. Similarly: contentless slander, devoid of justice, by the petty and the lowly, is what it is.

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Saturday, September 13 - 8:06am

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On Friday, with only two voices in protest, it was no joke. Now, with four more voices added, it's a joke?

When last he used the word s-ndn-gg-r he didn't claim it was a joke. It was "justified." He said:

"The term...was a cultural slur -- not racial. It was also an accurate, if colorful, description... ...What about the way Muslims describe Westerners? ...I'm the least bigoted person on the planet."

He wasn't joking then, and he isn't telling the truth now. He should have quit while he was ahead, like Obama and his lipsticked pig.

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Saturday, September 13 - 9:04am

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He affirms his true colors when he accuses his accusers of being petty and lowly. "Petty," think about that one... Yeah, how petty of us to get upset when it was just a gang rape - It wasn't like he had suggested killing them - Oh, that's right, he already did that.

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Sunday, September 14 - 9:40am

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Sunday, September 14 - 9:57am

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I'd say that last post used up more than enough of Teresa's rope.