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Saturday, August 9 - 8:16amSanction this postReply
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Today's teenagers, snorts Mark Bauerlein in his new book The Dumbest Generation, have "a brazen disregard of books and reading." It's sad but true.  When polls for the "best books ever" are taken among the public, they're invariably stocked with books like To Kill a Mockingbird that are most widely read in high school, because most Americans quit reading books after high school. (Those are the better polls; the worse ones are crammed with right-wing crackpot Ayn Rand and con-artist hack L. Ron Hubbard.)
Current students dumber despite living in 'Info Age'
By Justyn Dillingham
July 09, 2008. Source: Arizona Daily Wildcat,
http://www.uwire.com/Article.aspx?id=1040376
Rather than memorizing unrelated and irrelevant facts, I learned how to look things up.  My wife is a proofreader and editor.  She has done over 100 books for Bantam-Doubleday and as part of that checked the facts in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series.  "Do you have a map of Mars?" she asked me.  "I do indeed!" I replied and handed over my National Geographic map of Mars.  We did the same riff with KSM's Antarctica.  At a coin show, I bought her a lapel pin that had been given out with new contracts to buy the Encyclopedia Britannica: "We never guess.  We always look it up."

But what would the priests of Egypt had said to a civilization where people were so stupid that they could memorize nothing because they read everything in books?  Phone numbers?  Phone books!  Daytimers, organizers, diaries, journals, autobiographies, biographies, histories, travelogues... and all of it pointless and without authority! ... or so the ancient priest might claim... 

So, I have no problem with looking stuff up online.  Books are just another medium. 

Moreover, as a writer, as someone who is paid for original work, I do very little casual reading.  When we go into a bookstore, it is because my wife has me in tow.

 









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Saturday, August 9 - 3:32pmSanction this postReply
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I loved the Mars trilogy.  So, did your wife find any significant errors?  I've heard that KSM is always invited to any NASA Mars related events.  Amazing how much stuff he got right.



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Saturday, August 9 - 9:07pmSanction this postReply
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Rather than memorizing unrelated and irrelevant facts, I learned how to look things up.
Any tips you can share?




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Sunday, August 10 - 3:45amSanction this postReply
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Phil, she checked the travel times via landrover between sites to see that they were consistent.  They were.  Apparenly, KSM is held in high regard among scientists for good reason.

Jonathan, I fear that anything I have to say here to you and others here on RoR will be obvious. (See below.)  In a senior class in criminology, two of my peers gave presentations on the same subject and delivered the same facts from the same websites.  Obviously, both girls did a top-level search, found the first hits, and went with that.  Neither of them checked further.  I will google an author to see what else they wrote, look for a CV.  I will also reframe a search, from simply reversing the words, to using synonyms for all or some terms. 

Being older, of course, I started with library card files. In my day, there were separate files for Title/Author and Subject.  While Library of Congress and Dewey Decimal are different, they follow similar schemas.  When I walk into a library, the first thing I note is the catalog system, so I know were to look.  For me, LoC cataloging places numismatics in CJ.  History is in the Ds, alphabetical by geography, with England closer to Germany, and Japan in Asia.  (No surprise in that.)  Mathematics starts the Qs with computers in there, but, "computers" are also near the top in As with books of general knowledge.  Computer topics will also be in Technologies and Engineering which are in the Ts.  (500s and 600s for Dewey.) Numismatics is 737 with collectibles.  Postage stamps and paper money are in there, also, but with LoC, stamps are with transportation and paper money is in the Gs with banking.  When I look up a book, I am not so focused on one specific call number, but on the general area.  Therefore, I go to that general area and browse the stacks.  Two books nominally in the same subject might not show up together in a computerized catalog, but if I go to the stacks, I find related material.
 In the stacks, browsing books, I look for authors.  I pay attention to publishers also.  Wiley, of course, is  a known publisher of science texts.  So, a book on UFOs, for instance, published by Wiley will rank higher with me than one from, say, something like "Starchild" or whatever. I know that an edu domain name will have better information, given the usual caveats that college professors can be crackpots. 

That all seems obvious, perhaps.  It is somewhat intuitive or maybe just habitual.  Can you describe how to walk?  If you read this post, you may not notice that I avoided using the same key word in two consecutive places.  That makes the reading more interesting.  So, too, with research.  I ask, "What else?... Where else?...  Is there some other way to say this?"  Speaking of science fiction, as we were, if you want to know about the geology of the Moon, you have to know that the study can be called "selenology."  The nice thing about the Britannica (Americana, etc.) is that at the end of an article, they give other keywords. 




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Monday, August 11 - 8:19pmSanction this postReply
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Since you're into search systems, perhaps you could recommend a good patent attorney for a search algorithm. I've been sitting on this idea that involves a completely different approach to searches - one that actually finds the relevant hits - since the early '80's. Eventually someone else is going to stumble onto it and I will lose a few $billion. Problem is that my experience in dealing with programmers - as when I laid out a good design for a web browser in the mid'80's - don't attach any credibility to anyone who isn't also a systems level programmer...

Happy to cut you in on positive results, BTW...



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Wednesday, August 13 - 1:54pmSanction this postReply
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I hate that book you mentioned because it's classical idiocy that disregards the current knowledge of how intelligence works in various forms. I would point to another book to see an alternate explanation. :)



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Friday, August 15 - 11:27amSanction this postReply
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I appreciated this post because it got me thinking about how to better search for things on the net.

I landed on an article on how internet search engines work - when I have time I will read it.

Thanks for the post



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Saturday, August 16 - 11:01amSanction this postReply
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Bridget, what book are you talking about that disregards current knowledge?  Also, the link you provided was to Everything Bad Is Good for You: How Today's Popular Culture Is Actually Making Us Smarter which, I admit, is intriguing...
 
While this was the establishment thinking fifty years ago...
Is the Intelligence of the General Population Declining?
Otis Dudley Duncan
American Sociological Review, Vol. 17, No. 4 (Aug., 1952), pp. 401-407


In point of fact, this was actually happening at that moment...
Dome Improvement
Pop quiz: Why are IQ test scores rising around the globe? (Hint: Stop reading the great authors and start playing Grand Theft Auto.)
By Steven Johnson
Twenty-three years ago, an American philosophy professor named James Flynn discovered a remarkable trend: Average IQ scores in every industrialized country on the planet had been increasing steadily for decades. Despite concerns about the dumbing-down of society - the failing schools, the garbage on TV, the decline of reading - the overall population was getting smarter. And the climb has continued, with more recent studies showing that the rate of IQ increase is accelerating. Next to global warming and Moore's law, the so-called Flynn effect may be the most revealing line on the increasingly crowded chart of modern life - and it's an especially hopeful one. We still have plenty of problems to solve, but at least there's one consolation: Our brains are getting better at problem-solving.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.05/flynn_pr.html

And this also explains all of that ...
Research shows that IQ gains have been mixed for different countries. In general, countries have seen generational increases between 5 and 25 points. The largest gains appear to occur on tests that measure fluid intelligence (Gf) rather than crystallized intelligence (Gc). 
"The Flynn Effect"
Originally prepared by: Charles Graham (fall 2001)
Revised: Jonathan Plucker (fall 2002)
http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/flynneffect.shtml

 
Also before we run away with ourselves, I would like to point out that there is a difference between "current knowledge" and truth. 
 




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Sunday, August 17 - 1:59amSanction this postReply
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There is also a difference between IQ scores and intelligence. A big difference!



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