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Thursday, March 13 - 8:42amSanction this postReply
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Good essay...... an interesting co-related book is The Sovereign Individual, by Davidson and Rees-Mogg....  and also, so long as there are those who wish to be ruled, there will be those quite willing to rule - dependency is like a drug, as tho it limits you, there is comfort from it...  the idea of the independent adult arising from the dependent child has always been treated, even from the lipsaying advocates of individualism, as if that adulthood was some 'necessary evil', to be delayed, and with the dependency extolled to such supposed heights as to extend it more and more - forever if possible it seems......



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Thursday, March 13 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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Tibor asks:

How many more Spitzers do we need to experience, how many more members of Congress need to be caught hitting on their pages, how many more of them must defraud us, how many more judges need to be taken off the bench for misconduct before American voters learn that entrusting the government to handle their problems is a futile, pointless, fantastic venture and just leads to the piling of mistakes upon mistakes.


My wife is involved in high-tech business marketing, and her research turns up study after study showing that people will willingly give up their privacy or control over their resources if they can be convinced that they are saving a few dollars (e.g., the "loyalty cards" used at grocery stores to monitor your all of your purchases, or allowing a portion of your personal computer screen to be taken over for advertisements in exchange for a discount on some service.) The same is true of individual freedoms which are readily exchanged for the promise of receiving something for free or for a reduction in personal responsibility. The Spitzers, Clintons and Obamas will continue to be elected so long as they are in a position to offer what is portrayed as something for nothing (e.g., free health care or dispensing with the need to keep one's job skills current by eliminating competition through trade restrictions.) Unfortunately, this is all basic human nature and it is not going to change any time soon.

Tibor concludes with some optimism that, like Rand, he wonders if it might simply be "earlier than we think.". I'm afraid that I do not share this optimism that we are going to have a wide spread cultural shift away from an altruistic/entitlement mind set back to one of egoism/personal responsibility without some cataclysmic event that forces the issue. (Remember that in Atlas Shrugged, it took the entire collapse of the US government and economy before any change in direction was possible!)

My experience in life has taught me that while most people are very good at making decision regarding cardinal values, they are very poor at making decisions involving ordinal values. In other words, people are generally competent at making monetary decisions where they can weigh the cost of one option against another, because the cardinal dollar amounts of the two choices is clear and easy to evaluate. When we speak of values such as aesthetics or freedom or rights, these shift into the ordinal realm and it has been my observation that many people have real difficulty understanding how to deal with them. This is why many people's hierarchy of values is fuzzy or undefined. And consequently, this lack of value-clarity can make it very uncomfortable for individuals to make decisions in these areas. The unease or uncertainty of making ordinal value decisions pushes people away from these areas and back towards the cardinal realm of the dollar where they are much more comfortable.

I realize that this is just a cursory statement of the issue, but I believe that, at the core, it explains why the Democrat's message of free universal health care and other handouts and protectionist measures resonates with so many people while Ron Paul's message about limiting government power to preserve our individual rights does not. People, in general, cannot properly evaluate the real costs of these contrasting messages because they don't know how to relate the ordinal values in a meaningful way to their life as a whole, and unfortunately, I don't see that changing any time soon - especially with the education system in the control of the government.

Regards,
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Jeff
(Edited by C. Jeffery Small on 3/13, 11:48am)




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Thursday, March 13 - 12:03pmSanction this postReply
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My optimism is tentative, probabilistic at best. But over the centuries the values of the human individual (ethics) and of individual sovereignty (politics) have made some clear cut advances here and there. As with all matters that require massive adjustments--kind of like turning around an aircraft carrier--the shift from tribalist collectivism to individualism will take time and there is no guarantee other than relentless vigilance by those who care enough.



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Thursday, March 13 - 1:02pmSanction this postReply
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Tibor:

I understand what you are saying in post #2. Maybe my problem is that as I get older I retain my optimism at an individual level, but seem to be loosing it on a global level. Probably this is due to the fact that I have lost hope of seeing any major social/political changes happening within my lifetime, so I shift my focus to more personal matters that can affect the quality of my day-to-day life. That's not to say that I disagree with your observation for the need for intelligent, caring people to remain vigilant and continue to work for a better future. Aah, the occasional pull between the head and the heart! :-)

Regards,
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Jeff



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Thursday, March 13 - 1:03pmSanction this postReply
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We are just in our adolescence as humans.......



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Thursday, March 13 - 2:29pmSanction this postReply
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From adolescence to senility with barely a moment of wisdom in between. How sad.

Bob Kolker




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Thursday, March 13 - 11:22pmSanction this postReply
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Ayn Rand's The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, 1968, last chapter titled The Comprachicos. 

 

Last few paragraphs:

 

In conclusion, I should like to quote--for one of the guiltiest groups, the parents--a passage from Atlas Shrugged which deals with Rearden's thoughts after the death of the Wet Nurse:

 

"He thought of all the living species that train their young in the art of survival. The cats who teach their kittens to hunt, the birds who spend such strident effort on teaching their fledglings to fly--yet man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child's education to the purpose of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil, before he has started to think…

 

"Men would shudder, he thought, if they saw a mother bird plucking the feathers from the wings of her young, then pushing him out of the nest to struggle for survival--yet that was what they did to their children.

 
"Armed with nothing but meaningless phrases, this boy had been thrown to fight for existence, he had hobbled and groped through a brief, doomed effort, he had screamed his indignant, bewildered protest--and had perished in his first attempt to soar on his mangled wings."   



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Friday, March 14 - 12:42amSanction this postReply
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Thanks Dale. Those are some powerful observations and highlight an issue that is important to keep in mind.

Regards,
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Jeff



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Saturday, March 15 - 12:22pmSanction this postReply
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I note that "24" has apparently declined in popularity, and the pollsters are saying that it has to do with the use and implied condoning of torture practiced by the hero of the series, which for some reason appears to be on the decline in popularity as well.  (I only watched a little of the original production and, for the past several years, have rarely watched any TV.)

By the late '70's, I had had several opportunities to observe how corrupt many police are.  They may have always been that way, but my impression was that the drug enforcement ramp up to the official War on Drugs made the corruption enormously worse.  The top drug enforcement officer in the little town where I went to college had reportedly been hired on the cheap after he was fired for selling drugs he had confiscated while working as a narc in a nearby big city.  He played poker every Friday with the number one pot supplier for the campus - and always won. 

One night I stopped by the local campus speed dealer to purchase amphetamines for my finals cramming and while we were dickering there was a knock at the door and the dealer told me to wait in an adjoining room and stay silent.  Then I overheard him in cheerful conversation with some man who was clearly buying 8mm porno films, so I assumed everything was ok and stepped back into the room.  Both men reacted in shock to my entrance and the customer hurried furtively out.  I then found out that the customer was this same head of the narc squad for the town.

Even after many such experiences, I was still operating under the assumption that most cops are basically honest.  Then I put on an income tax protest in Long Beach in front of the Post Office and several banks.  A week later I was arrested for "Loitering with Children," which most people took as somehow implying that I was a child-molestor (J. Aromos ALERT, ALERT, ALERT!!!), although the law was actually targetted at drug dealers operating on high-school campuses.

There were no victims alleged or named and no specific acts.  The only "evidence" was that local park officials had told investigators that they had seen me in the park with a camera when children were present - which was virtually 100% of the daytime.  After a year, and many thousands of dollars lost in legal fees, and tens of thousands more lost in a land deal that I couldn't follow through on because I couldn't leave the country pending trial, and the deliberate and systematic destruction, almost certainly by the police, of the life of a teenage girl who was in a position to testify on my behalf, all charges were dropped and the judge wrote on the verdict "DEFENDANT EXONERATED." 

Meaning, for those such as John, who may be ignorant of basic legal terminology (among other things), that the court itself found me not just "not guilty," but actually "innocent."  Almost thirty years later, however, I still occasionally run into people who have heard from one or another of my enemies in the libertarian movement - one of them an actual child-molestor who I helped to expose and others who hated anyone who defended Ayn Rand - that I am a "convicted child molestor." 

In one case, a local libertarian who had heard the rumor from a friend of the actual child molestor I had helped to expose - who is, at last notice, permanently incarcerated by the State of California in an institution for the criminally insane - told me that before he would associate with me he wanted to see "proof that I was not a child-molestor."  Needless to say, I decided not to associate with him.

I note that although one is "presumed innocent" for the purposes of a trial, one thing that most people do not "get" is that the police grant no credence to that supposition.  While I was not "water-boarded" at the Long Beach City Jail during the one night I spent there, the one phone call I was allowed was via this enormous, ancient box, about 7 feet tall and 3 feet deep and wide, dangling a heavy duty power cord, which was rolled over to the bars of the "holding tank," which contained at the time, myself, a trustee who pretended to be one of the arrestees, and about 30 guys who had been arrested as "Johns" in a police sting opperation. 

I.e., from an objectivist or libertarian standard, the entire holding cell - except for the trustee perhaps - was filled with people who were innocent to begin with, as the laws were not even valid and certainly would not exist in an objectivist or libertarian limited government, any more than laws against particular religious or philosophical beliefs would be tolerated. 

The phone was somehow running 110V AC house current and was not grounded relative to the bars.  The only insulation was a thick, grey paint which had worn off in various spots - especially those near to where the phone was typically dragged, where the inmates had to reach through.  Thus, one would see an inmate trying to carry on a conversation with family or attorney, and suddenly the man would fling himself ten feet back in a spazm as he was hit with a full surge of house current.  Then, amid hoots of laughter from the deputies in attendance, the man would pick himself up off the floor and try to continue.

A few real life experiences like that will probably undo most of the endless propaganda one sees in the form of cop shows on TV about the poor heroic cops pretecting us from all those nasty criminals.  Not that there aren't real criminals.  Just that the cops are not generally distinguishable from them.

(Edited by Phil Osborn on 3/15, 12:27pm)




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