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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 - 7:11pmSanction this postReply
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First off, the Russians DID have oil.  In fact, Russia was one of the largest net exporters of oil prior to the Bolshevic takeover.  Then they appointed political comisars to run the oil fields and in short order ruined them, as it took specialized technical skill and experience to keep the right pressure on the oil drain from a field; otherwise you lose the connection and have to start over.  Russia went from being a net exporter of oil and grain to being a net importer under the commies.

Tibor, your comparison of loss of life and limb to loss of physical property brings up a pet pieve of mine, which is the way that most people, including most objectivists and libertarians, put an irrational, emotion-based value or, more usually, disvalue, upon the former.  For example, when someone is assaulted, they don't want the reasonable costs, including pain, stress, etc.   They want VENGENCE!  And so, vengence stands in for justice in our legal system. 

I fully understand the feeling.  I feel it, too.  But it really, for the most part, I think stems from the utter failure of our legal system to do anything that really stops such assaults or catches many of the perps to begin with.  So, when we do catch someone, we want to string the bastard up!

The degree of injury suffered in an auto accident that might net, say $15,000 in medical bills and other damages, will result in a demand that the perpetrator of an equivalent assault spend five years or more in prison - at taxpayers expense, and generally no hope of collecting compensation for the victim, as the perp is not generally in the money to begin with, and will usually leave jail a pauper with few job prospects beyond resuming his criminal career.

I personally would prefer getting the $5,000 to set things straight, whether the damage was accidental or intentional.  But our state society considers "crime" to be anything that violates democratically dictated social norms, so the "justice" system is not about justice at all, but rather about enforcing those norms, and since they only catch a tiny percentage of the perps, the ones they do catch have to serve as examples and deterents.

In a free, libertarian society, there would be the equivalent of an inverse jail.  Such people, the professional criminals, would simply find it impossible to get to their victims, as they would have to pay astronomically high insurance premiums to get into a private Mall or proprietary community, based on their established record of risk.  And part of the premium would go to the security guards and bounty hunters who would dog their every step, physically or via video surveillance, etc.  Known criminals would likely have to wear or implant a geo-location, tamperproof ID to even get insurance so they could walk into a grocery store or bar.

I personally feel little sympathy for criminals in our society.  In fact, I feel a general loathing toward them, probably beyond the actual threat they pose.  In the kind of libertarian society I describe above, however, criminals would be few and far between, and people would find themselves victimized so infrequently, that when it did happen, they would likely respond as in "Oh, that poor, poor person!  How could they end up in such a state, acting like some kind of animal predator toward their fellow human beings?  What can we do to help them?"  And psychologists or therapists would step up to the plate, offering to straighten them out for a cut in their future earnings...




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Thursday, November 8, 2007 - 12:42pmSanction this postReply
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People on the Left are naive and unconsciously revealing in their attitudes toward property.

I recall listening to Terry Gross on her program "Fresh Air" on NPR 15 years ago, interviewing another left wing writer critical of the institution of private property. Ms. Gross remarked that she had recently come to realize that she could be happy without private property, and that she really would be willing to give up her condo. The thought process of this pseudo-intellectual literary type went no deeper than the immediate prospect of leaving her condo and joining some comuune of left-wing "sophisticates" in San Francisco or Vermont. I wrote her a polite note, explaining why private property was, of logical necessity, a cornerstone of civilization. Her kids, no doubt helping mom with tedious but necessary fan mail chores, wrote back on a post card in the large curved strokes typical of youthful handwriting: "Thanks for the 'info'." I had to laugh at that one.

More recently, I rented a left wing movie that explored the aftermath around (where else?) San Francisco of a plague that supposedly wipes out nearly all of humanity, so that only a hundred people survive in California, and several thousands across what had been the USA. This, of course, is a favorite fantasy of misanthropic Greens.

The movie was disturbing, in that it revealed attitudes that can only be described as vicious. Of course, the film's theme of the sudden natural destruction of nearly all of humanity was a bitter pill; as was its depiction of a few surviving left-wing Greens who flourished well and naturally in the wake of the collapse of industry, technology, and capitalism.

But what really repelled me about the movie was its out-of-focus anti-intellectual primitivism, wherein the film's makers and actors revealed inability to think beyond the end of their snouts. For in this movie, food, clothing, housing, transportation (bicycles or foot-wear) and even electricity (!) and entertainment (!) and clean water (a monument to the "well-planned" municipal socialism of SF, which bequeathed a gravity-fed water system to the survivors) are NO PROBLEM. For millions of people who formerly ate, drank, polluted, littered, defacated, urinated, and generally mucked up the Planet just by living, are now dead!.....leaving tons of food, coffee and tea, good brandy, cool shirts and bicycle parts, and more, much more. There is more than enough stuff to keep the Green Remnant flourishing for a few generations, while they learn to "live in harmony with nature" and establish Heaven-on-Earth.

The over-arching theme of this Green-socialist movie is celebration of the Golden Age of Abundant Loot and Natural Living. So much for the contemptuous disdain that Greens affect toward property and "material possessions"!




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Friday, November 9, 2007 - 2:58pmSanction this postReply
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Just an afterthought on your factual statement about our legal system's "utter failure ... to do anything that really stops such assaults or catches many of the perps to begin with." It occurred to me that, whereas our legal system will arrest and charge people who DUI, on the, supposedly, valid premise that a drunken driver is potentially  a "life-threatening danger," it fails miserably where there is a real threat to an individual's life, such as in the case of a acquaintance of mine who has been repeatedly threatened by a couple of neighbors. These people have also threatened her two children, but the police cannot actually do anything about it until an actual crime is committed. Thus, people can be rounded up an imprisoned if they are a potential danger, but they cannot be rounded up if they are a real danger. So here we have, yet again, a case of the the "public's" being protected and the individual's being unprotected. 




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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 1:01pmSanction this postReply
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Vladimir:

Just a note: You were obviously replying to me, given the quote.  This is really Tibor's thread.

From MY perspective, drunken drivers are a very real threat.  I lost a friend in college - along with all five of her siblings - in a head-on crash with a wrong-way drunken driver who walked away from it.  And in the '80's, when I lived in the grey market and drove a cab to survive, I saw any number of horrendous crashes caused by drunks.

As far as the rest of your post, I'm in general agreement.  Real criminals will usually operate as a group, or at least a two-some, and if you call in the cops in some confrontation, then they are faced with your word against several other people.  I think that typically the cops pretty well understand what is going down, that all the people on the other side have rap sheets or multiple prior complaints, but they can't officially take that into consideration.

Cops don't want to get involved, unless they have personally witnessed something, as a simple arrest for assault will likely generate a legal case that goes on for months or years, costing them time in court and the county or city thousands of dollars to prosecute.  In one case around 1989, a fellow cab driver (who shortly thereafter stole a cab and then drove around brazenly stealing other cabbies' fares for a couple weeks, driving the stolen vehicle) who was generally regarded as a psycho attacked me and used his nightstick/flashlight to do some significant damage to my person. 

When the cop arrived, he told me that if I insisted on an arrest, he would have to arrest both of us, as the other guy claimed that I had started it.  In front of the cop, the psycho told me - smirking from ear to ear in anticipation - that that would mean that the two of us would be handcuffed together in the back seat of the cop car and that he planned to beat the crap out of me while we were en route.  The cop heard every word of this threat and then used it himself to intimidate me into not filing charges.  There is a myth that cops are legally obligated to protect us.  In fact, there are major court decisions that state clearly that cops are there to enforce society's laws, and are in no way liable for failure to protect individuals.

This is another major difference that would likely occur in a free libertarian society.  Individuals would be protected via networks of contracts with insurance and protection services, who would bear the costs of failure to protect their clients directly, down to the individual security officer or detective.




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